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but maybe we get through the fiscal cliff, but then another fiscal cliff comes, that's the whole point of this. >> in fact, and there was a proposal this week to try it get rid of the fiscal cliffs and no longer give congress full power to extend the debt. but i think, i'll tell you what, i'm kind of curious to see the other guys, i think we're going over the fiscal cliff because i think that congress would much rather have us go over the fiscal cliff and then vote to lower taxes and increase spending and they can't bare to raise taxes and reduce spending and that's where we'll end up in three months and have a vote to lower taxes and increase spending. >> jonas what does it do in the short-term, i know you're talking long-term. but short. >> they'recaring everybody about this, like we've got to keep pushing on or the world is going to end and it's not as bad a the politicians are pretending it is even. look, it's not a gd thing, but psyched into a level and it will be worse than the rea ffect of having the tax increase on the government level and that's the danger, using it as a tool
but maybe we get through the fiscal cliff, but then another fiscal cliff comes, that's the whole point of this. >> in fact, and there was a proposal this week to try it get rid of the fiscal cliffs and no longer give congress full power to extend the debt. but i think, i'll tell you what, i'm kind of curious to see the other guys, i think we're going over the fiscal cliff because i think that congress would much rather have us go over the fiscal cliff and then vote to lower taxes and...
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what you're talking about is where we solve this fiscal cliff by creating another fiscal cliff down the road is totally immature. it lacks political courage. we know what needs to be done, and let's get it done over the next three weeks. the options are not going to change. >> would you call on your party not to mount that sort of opposition to the president if he specifies how he's going to restructure medicare? >> i think that both -- look, i have laid out in great detail very painful cuts to medicare. i just did it in a 242-page bill that i have shared with the white house, shared with boehner, shared with mcconnell, in order to move us beyond this silly debate that's taking place. the fact is, claire knows this and i know this. there are serious reforms that have to take place in medicare for our country to become solvent. >> well, we have to be careful. and you're right about this, david. what is really irresponsible, that $716 billion, that was low-hanging fruit. that was fluff in the medicare system, savings that we had to recover. and by the way, it's the same savings that was i
what you're talking about is where we solve this fiscal cliff by creating another fiscal cliff down the road is totally immature. it lacks political courage. we know what needs to be done, and let's get it done over the next three weeks. the options are not going to change. >> would you call on your party not to mount that sort of opposition to the president if he specifies how he's going to restructure medicare? >> i think that both -- look, i have laid out in great detail very...
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fiscal cliff blame. nasa's decision on doomsday 2012. . and kim kardashian sparks a proprotest. >>> we have new chilling details in the tragedy that stuns kansas city. they are prepping for gameday just 20 24 hours after a suicide. tom chong is live where this tragic story ended. tom, good day to you. there what's it like there? >> reporter: it is subdued. we stopped at the tailgating activities. there is tailgating going on but the mood is heavy. just 24 hours ago when belcher pulled out a gun is and shot himself. that event left this team in shock. shots rang out at this home, the victim 22-year-old cassandra perkins. >> when we arrived a lady came out and said her daughter had been shot by -- she died a short time later. belcher shot perkins following an argument. the two were parents of a 3-month-old baby. just 10 minutes after the murder, belcher was next to the stadium with a gun talking to his coach and general manager. he thanked them for what they did for him. then pulled the trigger. >> as officers pulled up, they heard the gunsh
fiscal cliff blame. nasa's decision on doomsday 2012. . and kim kardashian sparks a proprotest. >>> we have new chilling details in the tragedy that stuns kansas city. they are prepping for gameday just 20 24 hours after a suicide. tom chong is live where this tragic story ended. tom, good day to you. there what's it like there? >> reporter: it is subdued. we stopped at the tailgating activities. there is tailgating going on but the mood is heavy. just 24 hours ago when belcher...
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. >> jon: president obama talking stuff and standing his ground as america approaches a fiscal cliff, and the immediate y media in his corn again. >> the new york times gets caught 40 questionable items about the conflicts in the middle east. and a british judge releases his report on the phone hacking scandal in the country and how did the media here react. and jay leno sees the light. >> this is very dangerous for the white house if they should start asking real questions. >> jon: on the panel this week, writer and fox news contributor judy miller. syndicated columnist, cal thomas. jim pinkerton, contributor. and kirsten powers. >> jon: i'm jon scott, fox news watch is on right now. ambassador susan rice asked for a face-to-face meeting with some of her most focal critics to make things better. the meeting took place and appears to have made things worse. >> rice herself asked for the meeting, but the effort to smooth things over didn't exactly work. >> for the first time she acknowledged her comments were wrong. >> susan rice has been depi depicted from everything as a thrown under
. >> jon: president obama talking stuff and standing his ground as america approaches a fiscal cliff, and the immediate y media in his corn again. >> the new york times gets caught 40 questionable items about the conflicts in the middle east. and a british judge releases his report on the phone hacking scandal in the country and how did the media here react. and jay leno sees the light. >> this is very dangerous for the white house if they should start asking real questions....
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i'm not sure that this fiscal cliff really is a fiscal cliff. i think that it changes the baseline. republicans get better negotiating position on the other side when they are not scared to death of their own shadow and fearful of not looking reasonable. to think that the same joker who is got us this compromise will somehow get us a better compromise is absolutely silly. some of these guys have been voted out by the american public. maybe we should wait until the new people who have been through this before and just through the campaign, when they come in and change, i just have a hard time believing this congress, the one that got us into the mess we are dealing with, will somehow field a way to get out of it. >> i understand what you're saying about waiting for the new people to come in, but many of the new people coming in and many of the old people still there are not economists, they are not experts on the economy. they are not experts on the fiscal cliff. if you speak to those who know, they will tell you it is a bad thing to go over that cliff. and still you're saying maybe
i'm not sure that this fiscal cliff really is a fiscal cliff. i think that it changes the baseline. republicans get better negotiating position on the other side when they are not scared to death of their own shadow and fearful of not looking reasonable. to think that the same joker who is got us this compromise will somehow get us a better compromise is absolutely silly. some of these guys have been voted out by the american public. maybe we should wait until the new people who have been...
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. >>> we'll turn now to if fiscal cliff, 30 days from an economy-crippling deadline. yet talks seem to be going nowhere. treasury secretary timothy geithner will be the guest on "this week" with george stephanopoulos. >> last weekend, you sat right here and you said you were reasonably optimistic that a deal could be afoot. in the intervening week, lot of trash-talking from both sides, can we still be somewhat hopeful? >> this week was a rough week in these negotiations. treasury secretary geithner when he went up to capitol hill, mitch mcconnell laughed when they got the offer from geithner. house speaker boehner said that the talks are at a stalemate. democrats said they're not going to make another move until republicans say they're going to go for an increase in tax rates. so, this is stalemate right now. now, these things always look horrible when they come together. more and more voices say, this is going to go over the fiscal cliff at least for a few days in january. >> if we go over the fiscal cliff, voters will likely blame the republicans for that. is is tha
. >>> we'll turn now to if fiscal cliff, 30 days from an economy-crippling deadline. yet talks seem to be going nowhere. treasury secretary timothy geithner will be the guest on "this week" with george stephanopoulos. >> last weekend, you sat right here and you said you were reasonably optimistic that a deal could be afoot. in the intervening week, lot of trash-talking from both sides, can we still be somewhat hopeful? >> this week was a rough week in these...
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the fiscal cliff is a serious business and i'm here seriously trying to resolve it and i would hope the white house would get serious as well. >> welcome tt colonel, editorial report, i'm paul gigot, not a meeting of the minds between president obama and house speaker john boehner where talks to end the fiscal showdown ends. the president for his park took his place for the public and called for america and little cuts to entitlement spending something the speaker says must be part of any final deal. wall street journal columnist and dan henninger, and mary an anna-- anastasia o'grady and kim strassel. you've been talking it it sources and is the mood as hour as it sounds. >> it is by the end of this week and here is why, the republicans came out right after the election and said to the president, you want revenue here. you want revenue on the wealthy, we'll give it to you, limiting tax deductions for the wealthy. the president instead of taking that and running with tceiling a deal has been campaigning for tax hikes and to cap it off sent treasury secretary tim geithner to congress wit
the fiscal cliff is a serious business and i'm here seriously trying to resolve it and i would hope the white house would get serious as well. >> welcome tt colonel, editorial report, i'm paul gigot, not a meeting of the minds between president obama and house speaker john boehner where talks to end the fiscal showdown ends. the president for his park took his place for the public and called for america and little cuts to entitlement spending something the speaker says must be part of any...
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as i look at it and combine it with fiscal cliff i am pessimistic. about high end consumers on one side, global growth on the other. it doesn't seem that great when the only thing that keeps the economy moving is the effect of wide deficits, monetary policies. i look at the whole thing, i am not feeling that good about it. >> we can put the data points together and string our own story together. we have to admit that in november consumer discretionary was the top performing s&p sector. scott, how do you account for that die verge ens? people are now getting concerned about the consumer? >> we are getting worried about the consumer in china. we knew the industrial story in china was problematic and the consumer was the good news. now we are worried about the consumer over here despite the fact that housing prices are improving and we are headed to the holiday. dan mentions tiffany. nordstrom's had a little tough time and mcdonald's which really hung in there and done well not as well as yum but mcdonald's is faced with problems as far as same store sa
as i look at it and combine it with fiscal cliff i am pessimistic. about high end consumers on one side, global growth on the other. it doesn't seem that great when the only thing that keeps the economy moving is the effect of wide deficits, monetary policies. i look at the whole thing, i am not feeling that good about it. >> we can put the data points together and string our own story together. we have to admit that in november consumer discretionary was the top performing s&p...
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no one know was the consequences will really be if we go over that fiscal cliff. we know that the tax hikes go up. some estimates -- ben bernanke, the fed chairman, fears that it will throw the country into a recession. that would hurt the whole country, of course president obama as well. they have to be careful here as well. but democrats and the president clearly believe that they have the leverage to force an increase in these tax rates on the upper income americans before they agree to a deal. >> we'll all be watching the stock market as well. if that indeed happen. >>> the president is also concentrating on recasting his new cabinet and one name that came up yesterday is a replacement for leon panetta at the defense department. actually a republican, chuck hagel. former senator from nebraska. >> it's possible, but this is a real game of musical chairs right now. the president has to fill at least three big jobs, secretary of state, hillary clinton, defense and cia. and if the president does not choose susan rice that means john kerry goes to state and hagel g
no one know was the consequences will really be if we go over that fiscal cliff. we know that the tax hikes go up. some estimates -- ben bernanke, the fed chairman, fears that it will throw the country into a recession. that would hurt the whole country, of course president obama as well. they have to be careful here as well. but democrats and the president clearly believe that they have the leverage to force an increase in these tax rates on the upper income americans before they agree to a...
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he had a fiscal cliff. he brought everybody in. he knew where the middle road was and -- >> he didn't fall off it. >> exactly. >> i'm joe smith. and i think that the dems want to raise taxes and the republicans want spending cuts, and as far as i'm concerned, i'd rather have the rich people pay taxes than me lose my entitlements. pat goodell can that work? >> people want at the rich to pay more because, okay, they should pay more. at the same time they don't want the economy to go in the hole. the other thing is they don't want the country to go broke, and what the republicans fail to do they fail to community indicate. they couldn't communicate themselves out of 0 wet babier bag. they don't hold barack obama accountable. you're the president and should lead on spending. this move of his give himself powers no president has had you take that to the country and say, you want him deciding he can spend whatever he wants. >> like removing the debt ceiling. >> exactly. i'm saying that's the issue. >> you're saying now that the president
he had a fiscal cliff. he brought everybody in. he knew where the middle road was and -- >> he didn't fall off it. >> exactly. >> i'm joe smith. and i think that the dems want to raise taxes and the republicans want spending cuts, and as far as i'm concerned, i'd rather have the rich people pay taxes than me lose my entitlements. pat goodell can that work? >> people want at the rich to pay more because, okay, they should pay more. at the same time they don't want the...
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by week's end, fiscal cliff talks were at a standstill. it was all doom and gloom and, they're not serious, what's wrong? we hate them again. let's bring in our body language expert, susan constantine, to help us. we want to start with house speaker, john boehner. he was saying on wednesday he was optimistic about a deal. >> republicans are committed to continuing to work with the president to come to an agreement to avert the so-called fiscal cliff. optimistic that we can continue to work together to avert this crisis and sooner rather than later. >> very next day, boehner is suddenly grim, talks having accomplished a thing. >> no substantive progress has been made in the talks between the white house and the house over the last two weeks. this is not a game. jobs are on the line. the american economy is on the line. and this is a moment for adult leadership. campaign-style rallies and leaks in the press are not the way to get things done here in washington. >> all right. susan, you're looking at the monitor and looking at his body langua
by week's end, fiscal cliff talks were at a standstill. it was all doom and gloom and, they're not serious, what's wrong? we hate them again. let's bring in our body language expert, susan constantine, to help us. we want to start with house speaker, john boehner. he was saying on wednesday he was optimistic about a deal. >> republicans are committed to continuing to work with the president to come to an agreement to avert the so-called fiscal cliff. optimistic that we can continue to...
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he had a fiscal cliff. he knew where the middle road was, and he didn't it. >> he didn't fall off. >> exactly. that's what this president has to do. >> i'm joe smith and i think that the dems want to raise taxes and the republicans want spending cuts, and as far as i'm concerned, i'd rather have the rich people pay taxes than me to lose my entitlements. pat, can that ever work? >> well i think that's what most people think right now. they want the rich to pay more because maybe we should have them pay more. at the same time, they don't want the economy to go in the hole. the other thing is they don't want the country to go broke. what the republicans failed to do is what you're saying. they failed communication case w50eus. wise. they don't hold ban barack baraa accountable. to give himself powers that no president has had, you take that to the country and say you want him deciding he can just spend whatever he wants? >> that's like removing the debt ceiling. >> exactly. >> that's wha wt you're talking abou
he had a fiscal cliff. he knew where the middle road was, and he didn't it. >> he didn't fall off. >> exactly. that's what this president has to do. >> i'm joe smith and i think that the dems want to raise taxes and the republicans want spending cuts, and as far as i'm concerned, i'd rather have the rich people pay taxes than me to lose my entitlements. pat, can that ever work? >> well i think that's what most people think right now. they want the rich to pay more...
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the fiscal cliff if it happens all taxes go up. if he wants taxes to go up on some portion of the population, he has the upper hand but no president wants to preside over a recession. >> it will be his. it won't be john boehner's recession. >> let's talk christmas. 'tis the season isn't it? >> a heartwarming story? >> a heartwarming story at christmas? i would way wish. rhode islanders are having a bit of an issue because their governor lincoln chaffey decided not to call the christmas tree the christmas tree. he is calling it the holiday tree. now rhode islanders are upset about it you know what? massachusetts is offering a bit of a safe refuge i guess. they want to flee rhode island and hop over to another island state up there in massachusetts. the mayor of fall river. >> massachusetts is offering up their christmas tree as a place where rhode islanders can go across and enjoy list tone the mayor. >> all road lineders would object. they can go to their state house and light the tree and go to tradition. we felt they were short c
the fiscal cliff if it happens all taxes go up. if he wants taxes to go up on some portion of the population, he has the upper hand but no president wants to preside over a recession. >> it will be his. it won't be john boehner's recession. >> let's talk christmas. 'tis the season isn't it? >> a heartwarming story? >> a heartwarming story at christmas? i would way wish. rhode islanders are having a bit of an issue because their governor lincoln chaffey decided not to...
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keep in mind again, you know, people call it a fiscal cliff. when you go off a cliff you usually die. my view is there are challenges in front of us. we've had them before. this is pretty significant. but we have a plan in place. no one really likes it, but at the end of the day come january, these things start to happen. the deficit gets a reduction because the tax cuts go away, the budget cuts go into play. the question is are we going to have the wherewithal to give some long-term certainty to the market so they don't have this up and down action of congress. after four years in congress i have to tell you it's one of the most disturbing thing i've seen, the lack of foresite of looking two, three, four, five years down the road. everyone plays to the next week. give it about a 40% chance of some element. the big question is have the markets worked into some of their pricing on stocks and bonds and so forth, some of this anticipation of going over these fiscal challenges? i think they probably have to to a certain degree. but it will be a rou
keep in mind again, you know, people call it a fiscal cliff. when you go off a cliff you usually die. my view is there are challenges in front of us. we've had them before. this is pretty significant. but we have a plan in place. no one really likes it, but at the end of the day come january, these things start to happen. the deficit gets a reduction because the tax cuts go away, the budget cuts go into play. the question is are we going to have the wherewithal to give some long-term certainty...